I got two expected packs today. One from jacketsrule containing 5 Patel Bros. toros as was agreed upon plus a Flor del Ybor City, which is a cigar I've been curious about. Second pack was for the make a wish game from lilwing88 containing not only the three Quesada Tributos, but also a Padilla Miami, Tatuaje Havana VI and a box of matches . Finally, I got a very unexpected package from sightunseen, he bombed me with a Panacea sampler, which is a cigar brand I've been wanting to try. Many thanks to all three of these guys for the great cigars. Don't get too attached to your mailbox Tony, no good deed goes unpunished.

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j0z3r:

I got two expected packs today. One from jacketsrule containing 5 Patel Bros. toros as was agreed upon plus a Flor del Ybor City, which is a cigar I've been curious about. Second pack was for the make a wish game from lilwing88 containing not only the three Quesada Tributos, but also a Padilla Miami, Tatuaje Havana VI and a box of matches . Finally, I got a very unexpected package from sightunseen, he bombed me with a Panacea sampler, which is a cigar brand I've been wanting to try. Many thanks to all three of these guys for the great cigars. Don't get too attached to your mailbox Tony, no good deed goes unpunished.

Glad they got there safe. I'm curious about know how they are. I may get some for myself if they are good. It all depends on you, Joe!

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I have to say dude hit me with an amazing sneak attack. Left no evidence... he went so far as to have the beard sent it to me to erase his deadly trail.

Great BOMB from a great BOTL.

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I got recieved my package from Millenium115 for participating in the movie trivia. Thanks alot Stav....he hooked up with an Flor De Oliva (which i always wanted to try), Cusano, Punch and some San Thomas's. Thanks for the Sticks my fellow BOTL. Millenium115= Good guy!

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Brotheramam hit with with 7 awesome sticks for the pay it forward thread!! As usual and as always brotheradam is a great BOTL!!

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stephen_hannibal:

I have to say dude hit me with an amazing sneak attack. Left no evidence... he went so far as to have the beard sent it to me to erase his deadly trail.

Great BOMB from a great BOTL.

That's a sweet lookin' package Steve-o

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bigharpoon:

... That's a sweet lookin' package Steve-o....

uhhh wow.
That's what she said!
HAHAHA yeah man, now I have cigars on me at all times.

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stephen_hannibal:

bigharpoon:

... That's a sweet lookin' package Steve-o....

uhhh wow.
That's what she said!
HAHAHA yeah man, now I have cigars on me at all times.

LMAO! Glad you like it man and that you are always packing.......cigars that is....lol

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Just checked my mail today and boom! There's a package with Todd's name on it. He gave me two Pinar P2000s to try out along with a La Riqueza by Tatuaje, Padilla 68, and a Gurkha Royal Brigade! Thanks so much for this, man.

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There is no blender but AJ, and The Beard is his merchant.

just got my package from cholmes today. sadly to say my mother was the unfortunate person to recieve it. she is no longer with us due to my house getting ripped to shreds by the hidden bomb in there lol. not only did he send what we agreed upon but also 5 MOW for the hell of it. great BOTL there. thank you again for the trade and will definitely trade with you again whenever you want.

Received my package from Beastcigar for the vacation bet, and he came through with a HUGE stick I thought was a double happiness at first. Turned out to be a MAXX by AB.

And I received my mystery stick package from Western, and he threw in a Gurkha Centurian and a Cain Nub to boot! solid BORK

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I am here to rep this awesome BORK we set up a trade for 4 Gurkha Evil's and this awesome dude threw in an Avo #2 as a hitchhiker! Geoff is a good BORK in my book.

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so a Skiing Indian Chief has joined the Eastside v. Westside rapper battle?

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laker1963:

ljl:

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thedjfish@comcast.net:

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sightunseen:

laker1963:

If for some reason they didn't show up I would replace them, so you have nothing to worry about,

This is why Doug and (many others) are on the Good Traders List.

This is also why I am a little pissed at this being brought up in the good traders forum. I just received his end of this transaction today, but...whatever...

hmmm your pissed? why because i asked about shipping times? and everyone else turned into how trust worthy you are,and how stand up you are,sorry but im not lemming

No, because it isn't necessary to bring it up publicly unless there is a serious problem. Doug has been here a long, long time and is trustworthy. They'll get there, and if there is a problem, he'll take care of you.

sorry tat
but you did exactly what i said everyone did,i asked about shipping times, you guys brought up the trustworthy, that was never the question in my original statement, you guys changed it over that,

I wrote him ANOTHER PM this morning. This guy just doesn't seem to get it. But that's OK. I am confident enough in my time here that this will blow over.

Doug, I'll do business with you any day. I'm sure tons of others agree.

Thanks Larry, and also to the other guys (bandy and Tat) who stepped forward to say something. I hopefully, have this worked out. I have sent another PM to Joe, when he was online, but have not heard from him yet. Man do I HATE drama !

well after 1 month and 2 day from his original statements of "ill get them out in the next day or so"on june 28,"ill have them out in the next day or two on june 29,and "ill get them out first thing in the morning" on july 4,and then again on july 15 "I was late in sending them because I got confused who I had left to send out to. I figured it out and got yours off to you. Should be there soon I would think"
well gentlemen here is what the shipping postage says july19 it was taken in at the postal office,thats the day he recieved my trade.now you see guys if you want to see the messages im more then willing to show them i asked him on several occasions when did he ship? does he have a tracking no# ?etc,now remember i have messgaes stating he will ship on 3 diffetrent occasions not one of them was true to his word,not one time on the open forum has he ever admitted to screwing up the orders
and when you dodge my questions and not take full responsablity for your own mistakes,thats does not make you trust worthy especially when at the end you get so arrogant that you refuse to admit you where wrong,
did he deliver finally? yeah after 34 days from his original trustworthy word, is he trustworthy? not by my standards not even close,he only sent out after he received my trade and when i started on the open forum he had no choice but to send them
the problem here guys? you inflated his ego so much he does not feel he needs to admit his mistakes,well he is wrong and you guys where wrong also to do that,,
and communication is key here,if you dont come straight and true to your word,and admit you had issues how are people going to know whats going on? how do you expect them to respond when they dont get there goods?
his mistakes? he said on 3 different times that he was going to ship,he sent packages out to the wrong people,and he never just came and said he had issues,
only after this got on the forum was he coming clean with everything bit by bit,but not once did he come on here and admit it,so he would rather have everyone think i bashing him for no reason and he could play the victim,sorry guys i had and have plenty of reasons to bash him,
but you know what he claims he was ready to ship out another set,i said not to,my reason behind it,was not the smokes anymore but the point he refuses to admit he F'ed up,is that my fault? nope i dont control his end of operations,
he hates drama as quoted above,well he has alot of drama he wants to spread the word about me that im a scammer accordinghim. not sure how,since i sent out my end he recieved it,how did i scam him?
the real issue here is i refused to trust him and i dont, and i refused to be a lemming and follow all you guys and go on the trustworthy band wagon,thats what really burning him here,otherwise he would not say that i dont trust anyone, and i dont,i said it to him and ill say here trust is earned by each and every one us,i have to earn it from who ever im dealing with and they have to earn from me,if you guys just hand it out then thats your thing but i dont do that,to be honest there are a few guys on here that i do trust,and 1 that i met in person and i trust him more then all,we chat every now and then and we meet up also,
im done with him finally and like her said it left a bitter taste in his mouth that i would not smoke these cigars with anyone elses mouth,these will be traded or given away,i already bought and recieved my own box of 25 of them for $165 shipped,so that says it all

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laker1963:

ljl:

laker1963:

thedjfish@comcast.net:

TatuajeVI:

thedjfish@comcast.net:

laker1963:

sightunseen:

laker1963:

If for some reason they didn't show up I would replace them, so you have nothing to worry about,

This is why Doug and (many others) are on the Good Traders List.

This is also why I am a little pissed at this being brought up in the good traders forum. I just received his end of this transaction today, but...whatever...

hmmm your pissed? why because i asked about shipping times? and everyone else turned into how trust worthy you are,and how stand up you are,sorry but im not lemming

No, because it isn't necessary to bring it up publicly unless there is a serious problem. Doug has been here a long, long time and is trustworthy. They'll get there, and if there is a problem, he'll take care of you.

sorry tat
but you did exactly what i said everyone did,i asked about shipping times, you guys brought up the trustworthy, that was never the question in my original statement, you guys changed it over that,

I wrote him ANOTHER PM this morning. This guy just doesn't seem to get it. But that's OK. I am confident enough in my time here that this will blow over.

Doug, I'll do business with you any day. I'm sure tons of others agree.

Thanks Larry, and also to the other guys (bandy and Tat) who stepped forward to say something. I hopefully, have this worked out. I have sent another PM to Joe, when he was online, but have not heard from him yet. Man do I HATE drama !

well after 1 month and 2 day from his original statements of "ill get them out in the next day or so"on june 28,"ill have them out in the next day or two on june 29,and "ill get them out first thing in the morning" on july 4,and then again on july 15 "I was late in sending them because I got confused who I had left to send out to. I figured it out and got yours off to you. Should be there soon I would think"
well gentlemen here is what the shipping postage says july19 it was taken in at the postal office,thats the day he recieved my trade.now you see guys if you want to see the messages im more then willing to show them i asked him on several occasions when did he ship? does he have a tracking no# ?etc,now remember i have messgaes stating he will ship on 3 diffetrent occasions not one of them was true to his word,not one time on the open forum has he ever admitted to screwing up the orders
and when you dodge my questions and not take full responsablity for your own mistakes,thats does not make you trust worthy especially when at the end you get so arrogant that you refuse to admit you where wrong,
did he deliver finally? yeah after 34 days from his original trustworthy word, is he trustworthy? not by my standards not even close,he only sent out after he received my trade and when i started on the open forum he had no choice but to send them
the problem here guys? you inflated his ego so much he does not feel he needs to admit his mistakes,well he is wrong and you guys where wrong also to do that,,
and communication is key here,if you dont come straight and true to your word,and admit you had issues how are people going to know whats going on? how do you expect them to respond when they dont get there goods?
his mistakes? he said on 3 different times that he was going to ship,he sent packages out to the wrong people,and he never just came and said he had issues,
only after this got on the forum was he coming clean with everything bit by bit,but not once did he come on here and admit it,so he would rather have everyone think i bashing him for no reason and he could play the victim,sorry guys i had and have plenty of reasons to bash him,
but you know what he claims he was ready to ship out another set,i said not to,my reason behind it,was not the smokes anymore but the point he refuses to admit he F'ed up,is that my fault? nope i dont control his end of operations,
he hates drama as quoted above,well he has alot of drama he wants to spread the word about me that im a scammer accordinghim. not sure how,since i sent out my end he recieved it,how did i scam him?
the real issue here is i refused to trust him and i dont, and i refused to be a lemming and follow all you guys and go on the trustworthy band wagon,thats what really burning him here,otherwise he would not say that i dont trust anyone, and i dont,i said it to him and ill say here trust is earned by each and every one us,i have to earn it from who ever im dealing with and they have to earn from me,if you guys just hand it out then thats your thing but i dont do that,to be honest there are a few guys on here that i do trust,and 1 that i met in person and i trust him more then all,we chat every now and then and we meet up also,
im done with him finally and like her said it left a bitter taste in his mouth that i would not smoke these cigars with anyone elses mouth,these will be traded or given away,i already bought and recieved my own box of 25 of them for $165 shipped,so that says it all

Um, as you can see here by his ramblings, he dosen't make a lot of sense. Saying I didn't own up to making a mistake after saying I told him there were some issues. This is the type of messages I have been getting from him for a couple of weeks now.

Point is, he did get his sticks as I said all along. I was dealing with 8 different BOTL with these sticks and his were late getting to him. Nobody else had any problems and that is why there were some people who cam e to my defense. (if you want to call it that). To him this just meant that all you guys were "my boys" and that somehow I guess that made you all implicated in this situation. There is no winning or reasoning with this guy. I do NOT like to talk down about people, particularly someone I haven't met... but word to the wise here. A trade with this guy can bring a whole lot of grief with it. Now I am sure he would say the same thing, but I know I have had my last dealings with him of any kind.

If anyone is interested in reading the messages and answers from this whole thing PM me and I will send you out the messages, it makes for some pretty sad reading.

Oh and you're right... those $165 sticks you bought the box of does say it all... FOOL !

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Glad both parties finally got their end of it. I hate to see this kind of stuff happening, especially since I've transacted with both of you guys and have had nothing but good experiences with each of you.

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